Discuss the 5.0.12 release

[loukingjr]

I think I understand Bobbix's objection now. When the mini-toolbar is set to the top, the menu drops down from the bottom of the mini-toolbar.

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When the mini-toolbar is set at the bottom, the menu also starts from the bottom of the mini-toolbar.

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So it would be easier to accidentally select "Close" with the mini-toolbar at the bottom If you hold the mouse down too long then release it. I believe the user would prefer if the menu started at the top of the mini-toolbar when the mini-toolbar is set at the bottom.

It's not a bug per se but a user interface choice. Or perhaps just easier to code.

I'm not sure why I even followed up on this since Bobbix's first reply to me was rude and condescending. But there you have it.

@Bobbix if you would like to suggest a change, you can voice your objection on Bugtracker.

[sej7278]

i can't start guests on debian sid 64-bit with 4.3.3-2 kernel, i get the error:

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Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908)

The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is either not loaded or there is a permission problem with /dev/vboxdrv. Please reinstall the kernel module by executing

'/sbin/rcvboxdrv setup'

as root. If it is available in your distribution, you should install the DKMS package first. This package keeps track of Linux kernel changes and recompiles the vboxdrv kernel module if necessary.

where: suplibOsInit what: 3 VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED (-1908) - The support driver is not installed. On linux, open returned ENOENT. 

but /sbin/rcvboxdrv is symlinked to a file that doesn''t exist, /etc/init.d/vboxdrv doesn't exist anymore, systemd problems perhaps?

edit: seems to work now, i just ran ./vboxdrv.sh from /usr/lib/virtualbox/

[socratis]

The problem with the CopyTo and CopyFrom functions does not look fixed in 5.0.12.

So are 3804 more open bug tickets. I'd really hate to see 3804 posts in this thread saying that "XYZ is not fixed yet". There's nothing we can do here. We're simple users. Having added your comment in the ticket (for each and every version update) will most probably get the DEVs attention. I'm not sure if it's going to be a positive one. I do realize that this specific bug might be important to you, but that doesn't mean it's a priority to the DEVs...

[m6477]

A new bug in 5.0.12 that was not there in 5.0.10
(Windows host and guest)
Reported in detail at https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/14958

[Bobbix]

I think I understand Bobbix's objection now. When the mini-toolbar is set to the top, the menu drops down from the bottom of the mini-toolbar.

Screenshot (4).png

When the mini-toolbar is set at the bottom, the menu also starts from the bottom of the mini-toolbar.

Screenshot (3).png

So it would be easier to accidentally select "Close" with the mini-toolbar at the bottom If you hold the mouse down too long then release it. I believe the user would prefer if the menu started at the top of the mini-toolbar when the mini-toolbar is set at the bottom.

It's not a bug per se but a user interface choice. Or perhaps just easier to code.

I'm not sure why I even followed up on this since Bobbix's first reply to me was rude and condescending. But there you have it.

@Bobbix if you would like to suggest a change, you can voice your objection on Bugtracker.

Thanks loukingjr this is exactly that i tried to tell since from my first comment (next time i will use images or videos).
Excuse me for my first answer .. i'm only frustrated because in the previous versions the user interface was normal and... i repeat, for me it's a buggy behavior, unusable for every normal user.

Now i can't use the mini tollbar at the bottom and if placed on the top i've problems with the mini toolbar of Windows RDP, placed on the top too.
Yes, i can use "Click&Drag" approach instead releasing the click when on the right dropdown menu option, but isn't natural for me (and for more other users i think).

Thank's

[mpack]

Simple.. it's a bug.

Perhaps, but if so then it's a bug in Windows and hence arguably beyond our remit.

Still, the behaviour which Lou outlined is clearly understood: when a pulldown menu opens in Windows then the OS automatically moves it minimally from its default position (below the menubar item) to ensure that all menu items are visible. Unfortunately when the menu bar is at the bottom this may mean that popup will be under the cursor as you release the mouse. You are saying that this didn't occur in previous versions? ... it so happens that I have 4.3.12 on this PC, so I just tried it, and the popup appears above the menu bar and not overlapping it (XP host). I'm at home on hols at the mo and not in a position to test with multiple versions and hosts.

[loukingjr]

Thanks loukingjr this is exactly that i tried to tell since from my first comment (next time i will use images or videos).
Excuse me for my first answer .. i'm only frustrated because in the previous versions the user interface was normal and... i repeat, for me it's a buggy behavior, unusable for every normal user.

Now i can't use the mini tollbar at the bottom and if placed on the top i've problems with the mini toolbar of Windows RDP, placed on the top too.
Yes, i can use "Click&Drag" approach instead releasing the click when on the right dropdown menu option, but isn't natural for me (and for more other users i think).

Thank's

You're welcome and you're forgiven.

I do understand what you were saying but I do have to say, I've had no issue using it myself but that's me. I don't use Click+Drag, that would be very awkward for me.

[loukingjr]

FWIW, I just checked the Linux version of VB 5.0.12 and unlike the Windows version, the menu does not start at the bottom of the mini-toolbar but slightly above the menu titles. So it would prevent a user from accidentally making a menu choice by holding down the mouse button too long.

So although I don't consider it a bug, it is an awkward user interface choice.

[loukingjr]

You are saying that this didn't occur in previous versions? ... it so happens that I have 4.3.12 on this PC, so I just tried it, and the popup appears above the menu bar and not overlapping it (XP host).

Don, didn't you just answer your own question?

[Bobbix]

FWIW, I just checked the Linux version of VB 5.0.12 and unlike the Windows version, the menu does not start at the bottom of the mini-toolbar but slightly above the menu titles. So it would prevent a user from accidentally making a menu choice by holding down the mouse button too long.

So although I don't consider it a bug, it is an awkward user interface choice.

User Interface choice? Who chose what?
I know that the 3.4.x version have a different behavior (same host)... .the 5.0.x series not.

So I think it's a bad choice (but not mine).

[Bobbix]

FWIW, I just checked the Linux version of VB 5.0.12 and unlike the Windows version, the menu does not start at the bottom of the mini-toolbar but slightly above the menu titles. So it would prevent a user from accidentally making a menu choice by holding down the mouse button too long.

So although I don't consider it a bug, it is an awkward user interface choice.

Not exactly.
I want to clarify that is not necessary that i hold down the mouse button too long, but only a click (few nanoseconds).
The drop-down menu appears instantly and the menu accidentally menu choice is done without viewing it.

And.. .just another question.. WHY on the same host (Windows 7) the 3.4.x versions work fine showing the drop-down menu out of the mini toolbar?

I remain convinced that it is a defect which makes it difficult to use Virtual Box in Full Screen Mode and is a bad new behavior introduced with version 5.

I will suggest to change this.
Bye o all and thanks.

[loukingjr]

User Interface choice? Who chose what?

The developers chose. In general, User interface decisions aren't voted on by users.

And.. .just another question.. WHY on the same host (Windows 7) the 3.4.x versions work fine showing the drop-down menu out of the mini toolbar?

I'll assume you meant the 4.3.* versions. Because they changed it in the 5.0.* versions.

I want to clarify that is not necessary that i hold down the mouse button too long, but only a click (few nanoseconds).

Perhaps your nanoseconds are longer than my nanoseconds.

None the less, I think it would be a good idea for you to make the suggestion.

[Bobbix]

OK i will try to write a suggestion for developers.

I've published a video on Youtube, where you can see my problem.
Effectively sometime the behavior it's not buggy (but randomly), as you can see when i click on the file menu entry (very strange).
I assure that my click are very very super-fast and i don't have any problem on my two mouses and two hosts systems i've used (Windows 7 and Windows 10).

I will suggest on the appropriate location (anyone would me write the link?).

My link to the video posted just from some minutes (filmed with my smartphone, sorry for poor quality).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sgBh2rZjsY

Bye and thanks to all.

[loukingjr]

I've published a video on Youtube, where you can see my problem.

The video was a good idea. I see what the problem is although I don't know why it happens.
I downloaded the video and watched it in slow motion. On your system, at random apparently, a menu will open so fast that even in slow motion you can barely see it open. Basically it means a human being could not possibly click and release fast enough to not make a selection when that happens. My system never draws a menu that fast.

Now if a developer will read this.

[mpack]

You are saying that this didn't occur in previous versions? ... it so happens that I have 4.3.12 on this PC, so I just tried it, and the popup appears above the menu bar and not overlapping it (XP host).

Don, didn't you just answer your own question?

I answered it for an XP host.

Rather than the Suggestions forum post, I suggest raising this as a BugTracker ticket, and this time be clear from the outset which host OS is involved, since not all hosts will necessarily behave the same way. You can attach the YT video to the ticket.

That done I think we should stop monopolising this general discussion topic with one UI issue.