lust for data, solid state drive?

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traja47
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lust for data, solid state drive?

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hi all
very impressed with virtual box, easy to use and promptness of responses from the forum

dressed a "windows 10 pro 64 bits rig" host with VirtualBox 5.0.6 for Windows hosts x86/amd64
need to invite a "windows 7 pro 64 bits" guest
question
1) any major benefit in installing a separate physical solid state drive ssd dedicated to the guest?
as opposed to use a slice of the solid state drive allocated to the host

2) any major gain in performance using a solid state drive ssd as opposed to hard disk drive hdd
under virtual box environment

thanks in advance for any help
cheers
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Re: lust for data, solid state drive?

Post by scottgus1 »

on #2: I had an SBS2003 guest on a platter drive - took about 6 minutes to boot and fully auto-log-in to the desktop. I moved that guest to an SSD. Now it takes a minute and a half. Your results may be different but yes guests on an SSD will have much faster disk activity.
traja47
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Re: lust for data, solid state drive?

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scottgus1 wrote:on #2: I had an SBS2003 guest on a platter drive - took about 6 minutes to boot and fully auto-log-in to the desktop. I moved that guest to an SSD. Now it takes a minute and a half. Your results may be different but yes guests on an SSD will have much faster disk activity.
thanks mate
that what i expected.

as for fixed size vs dynamically allocated
unless you use for pure data storage than dynamically allocated is the preferred
if the intention is to install heaps of applications than fixed size is the preferred

am i correct?
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Re: lust for data, solid state drive?

Post by mpack »

traja47 wrote:as for fixed size vs dynamically allocated
unless you use for pure data storage than dynamically allocated is the preferred
if the intention is to install heaps of applications than fixed size is the preferred
No, I don't think that is correct. AFAIK dynamic is always preferred, except perhaps on servers where you might want to preallocate all data requirements.

Dynamic is especially preferred when you have lots of apps to install, as casual users invariably make fixed size drives too small - i.e. they try to explicitly manage host data requirements, and they make a hash of it, and get terrible performance as a result. Far better to specify an oversized dynamic drive and let the guest find it's own preferred size.

What are the underlying technical assumptions behind your rules?
traja47
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Re: lust for data, solid state drive?

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mpack wrote:
traja47 wrote:as for fixed size vs dynamically allocated
unless you use for pure data storage than dynamically allocated is the preferred
if the intention is to install heaps of applications than fixed size is the preferred
No, I don't think that is correct. AFAIK dynamic is always preferred, except perhaps on servers where you might want to preallocate all data requirements.

Dynamic is especially preferred when you have lots of apps to install, as casual users invariably make fixed size drives too small - i.e. they try to explicitly manage host data requirements, and they make a hash of it, and get terrible performance as a result. Far better to specify an oversized dynamic drive and let the guest find it's own preferred size.

What are the underlying technical assumptions behind your rules?
mpack
i agree with your statement
i have encountered a constraint and the need to manually increase the actual size
you have provided me with a solution on another thread

i have obtained data from another source indicating a much better performance using solid state drive as opposed to hard disk drive

currently the new rig has 1 solid state drive dedicated to the windows 10 pro host
i have decided to obtain a new solid state drive this weekend to dedicate to 2 virtual machines, windows 7 64 bits guest and windows 7 32 bits guest
i will stick with dynamically allocated

the only remaining technical question i have is why do we need a manual intervention via partition manager to increase the actual size for a dynamically allocated storage?
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Re: lust for data, solid state drive?

Post by mpack »

I've answered that last question too many times before. You can probably find them if you look, e.g. viewtopic.php?f=8&t=48577&start=15#p225368.
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Re: lust for data, solid state drive?

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mpack wrote:I've answered that last question too many times before. You can probably find them if you look, e.g. viewtopic.php?f=8&t=48577&start=15#p225368.
mpack
you are too good
thanks for the explanation, it makes sense
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