SANE on Linux Mint - Does this sound normal?

[TooManyHobbies]

Well I got my scanner working under Mint 15 which is running in VirtualBox with Mac OS X as the host OS. I'm new to Linux and to VirtualBox. My question has to do with how SANE is behaving. From a terminal window on the guest OS, Linux I type: sane-find-scanner -v and it tells me that it can find the scanner, but gives me the message "Access denied (insufficient permissions).

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This is sane-find-scanner from sane-backends 1.0.23

  # sane-find-scanner will now attempt to detect your scanner. If the
  # result is different from what you expected, first make sure your
  # scanner is powered up and properly connected to your computer.

searching for SCSI scanners:
checking /dev/scanner... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sg0... failed to open (Access to resource has been denied)
checking /dev/sg1... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sg2... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sg3... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sg4... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sg5... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sg6... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sg7... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sg8... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sg9... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sga... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgb... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgc... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgd... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sge... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgf... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgg... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgh... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgi... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgj... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgk... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgl... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgm... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgn... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgo... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgp... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgq... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgr... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgs... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgt... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgu... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgv... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgw... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgx... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgy... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgz... failed to open (Invalid argument)
  # No SCSI scanners found. If you expected something different, make sure that
  # you have loaded a kernel SCSI driver for your SCSI adapter.

searching for USB scanners:
checking /dev/usb/scanner... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner0... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner1... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner2... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner3... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner4... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner5... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner5... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner7... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner8... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner9... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner10... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner11... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner12... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner13... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner14... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner15... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner0... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner1... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner2... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner3... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner4... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner5... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner6... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner7... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner8... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner9... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner10... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner11... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner12... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner13... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner14... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner15... failed to open (Invalid argument)
could not open USB device 0x80ee/0x0021 at 001:002: Access denied (insufficient permissions)
could not open USB device 0x1d6b/0x0001 at 001:001: Access denied (insufficient permissions)
  # No USB scanners found. If you expected something different, make sure that
  # you have loaded a kernel driver for your USB host controller and have setup
  # the USB system correctly. See man sane-usb for details.

  # Not checking for parallel port scanners.

  # Most Scanners connected to the parallel port or other proprietary ports
  # can't be detected by this program.

  # You may want to run this program as root to find all devices. Once you
  # found the scanner devices, be sure to adjust access permissions as
  # necessary.
done

If I do the same thing using sudo, sane-find-scanner reports that there are no USB scanners found:

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This is sane-find-scanner from sane-backends 1.0.23

  # sane-find-scanner will now attempt to detect your scanner. If the
  # result is different from what you expected, first make sure your
  # scanner is powered up and properly connected to your computer.

searching for SCSI scanners:
checking /dev/scanner... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sg0... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sg1... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sg2... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sg3... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sg4... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sg5... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sg6... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sg7... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sg8... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sg9... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sga... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgb... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgc... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgd... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sge... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgf... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgg... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgh... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgi... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgj... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgk... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgl... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgm... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgn... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgo... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgp... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgq... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgr... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgs... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgt... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgu... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgv... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgw... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgx... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgy... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/sgz... failed to open (Invalid argument)
  # No SCSI scanners found. If you expected something different, make sure that
  # you have loaded a kernel SCSI driver for your SCSI adapter.

searching for USB scanners:
checking /dev/usb/scanner... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner0... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner1... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner2... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner3... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner4... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner5... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner5... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner7... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner8... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner9... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner10... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner11... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner12... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner13... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner14... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usb/scanner15... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner0... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner1... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner2... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner3... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner4... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner5... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner6... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner7... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner8... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner9... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner10... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner11... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner12... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner13... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner14... failed to open (Invalid argument)
checking /dev/usbscanner15... failed to open (Invalid argument)
  # No USB scanners found. If you expected something different, make sure that
  # you have loaded a kernel driver for your USB host controller and have setup
  # the USB system correctly. See man sane-usb for details.

  # Not checking for parallel port scanners.

  # Most Scanners connected to the parallel port or other proprietary ports
  # can't be detected by this program.
done

What is really strange is that I can run xsane and it works fine? I spent a few hours trying to get sane-find-scanner to report that it could find a scanner and use it until I said "what the heck, let me see what happens if I run xsane."

Does anyone have any idea why sane-find-scanner would report "Access denied", yet xsane can access the scanner?

Details:
Host OS: Mac OS X 10.8.4
Guest OS (what I'm using to run sane): Linux Mint 15
SANE: 1.0.23 (backends)
Scanner: HP ScanJet 3970

Just as an aside, I have sane installed under Mac OS as well and here is the output I get, and what I expected from sane-find-scanner under Linux:

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This is sane-find-scanner from sane-backends 1.0.23

  # sane-find-scanner will now attempt to detect your scanner. If the
  # result is different from what you expected, first make sure your
  # scanner is powered up and properly connected to your computer.

searching for SCSI scanners:
  # No SCSI scanners found. If you expected something different, make sure that
  # you have loaded a kernel SCSI driver for your SCSI adapter.

searching for USB scanners:
found USB scanner (vendor=0x03f0 [hewlett packard], product=0x2305 [hp scanjet], chip=RTS8822) at libusb:253:005
  # Your USB scanner was (probably) detected. It may or may not be supported by
  # SANE. Try scanimage -L and read the backend's manpage.

  # Not checking for parallel port scanners.

  # Most Scanners connected to the parallel port or other proprietary ports
  # can't be detected by this program.

  # You may want to run this program as root to find all devices. Once you
  # found the scanner devices, be sure to adjust access permissions as
  # necessary.

Thanks

[Perryg]

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 # You may want to run this program as root to find all devices. Once you
  # found the scanner devices, be sure to adjust access permissions as
  # necessary.

Have you given the user permission to the right group? It works the same in a guest. If the user does not have proper levels of permission you will get permission denied.

hint: run the following to see the groups: cat /etc/group see if saned is a group and add user to it.

note: minimum of log off and on to enable permission changes

[TooManyHobbies]

Hi, and thanks. I did what you suggested, I wen into group and added myself and users to the saned group. No change. I still get access denied, and when I run in root (sudo), it doesn't find any scanners? Strange?

Any other ideas?

[Perryg]

Did you log off and back in? if so then reboot.
If your user is in the proper group you don't need su/sudo

[TooManyHobbies]

Yes, I did reboot. Adding myself to the saned group made sane-find-scanner behave as in my original post where I ran it using sudo. That actually makes sense to me, the fact that running form sudo, or putting my user in the group produce the same behavior. Either way, the mystery remains. Why does sane-find-scanner complain, yet when used from within xsane, everything seems fine.

Maybe I'll only understand this if I recompile with debugging and try to get more info. Not sure I have the time for that right now, but I wanted to put this out there just incase there was some serious newb mistake I was making.

Thanks for the help. If there is something else I can try, please let me know.