Unable to upgrade to Fedora 14.

[SSCBrian]

I've got a working Fedora 13 x64 install that I'm unable to upgrade to Fedora 14. Installer doesn't see the VHD. Anyone else encounter this and find a solution yet?

[Perryg]

I'll give it a shot here in a bit. I heard a lot of chatter on the fedora-forums about upgrading and it not working right. What do you mean "does not see the VHD"?

[SSCBrian]

What do you mean "does not see the VHD"?

The installer claims that there are no attached hard drives.

[sej7278]

What do you mean "does not see the VHD"?

The installer claims that there are no attached hard drives.

that just sounds like your ~/.VirtualBox/VirtualBox.xml needs looking at, not a f14 upgrade issue per-se.

can you attach the vdi - i assume you mean you can still see the vm's?

off-topic, but if you're interested sscbrian, solaris 10u9 works fine as a guest, changing screen resolution doesn't seem to kill gnome either now.

[SSCBrian]

What do you mean "does not see the VHD"?

The installer claims that there are no attached hard drives.

that just sounds like your ~/.VirtualBox/VirtualBox.xml needs looking at, not a f14 upgrade issue per-se.

can you attach the vdi - i assume you mean you can still see the vm's?

off-topic, but if you're interested sscbrian, solaris 10u9 works fine as a guest, changing screen resolution doesn't seem to kill gnome either now.

F13 sees the hard drive fine, but F14 doesn't, which is what makes it especially interesting. I can still boot the old F13 image (the one I'm trying to upgrade).

I would like to be running Solaris, but the way I read the new Oracle rules it's not legal for me to do anymore. I was one of the people using the free/no support license. It appears that support is now required to have a valid license. On a bit of a side note, Oracle Enterprise Linux is entirely free to use (no support requirement for a license), and runs fine in VBox.

[sej7278]

F13 sees the hard drive fine, but F14 doesn't, which is what makes it especially interesting. I can still boot the old F13 image (the one I'm trying to upgrade).

so f14 is your guest - i thought it was your host! so you upgrade the f13 image to f14 and upon reboot it doesn't see the hard disk? that's weird as a clean f14 install as a guest works fine (for me). i assume you are using sata not ide?

I would like to be running Solaris, but the way I read the new Oracle rules it's not legal for me to do anymore. I was one of the people using the free/no support license. It appears that support is now required to have a valid license.

nah i don't think that's right, i've not got a license of any type, it just means no updates, although i wouldn't put anything past larry. to me if its freely available to download, then its free to use.

On a bit of a side note, Oracle Enterprise Linux is entirely free to use (no support requirement for a license), and runs fine in VBox.

well oracle's rebranding of redhat enterprise linux requires a support license otherwise you get no updates, you'd be better off using centos.

[SSCBrian]

F13 sees the hard drive fine, but F14 doesn't, which is what makes it especially interesting. I can still boot the old F13 image (the one I'm trying to upgrade).

so f14 is your guest - i thought it was your host! so you upgrade the f13 image to f14 and upon reboot it doesn't see the hard disk? that's weird as a clean f14 install as a guest works fine (for me). i assume you are using sata not ide?

I would like to be running Solaris, but the way I read the new Oracle rules it's not legal for me to do anymore. I was one of the people using the free/no support license. It appears that support is now required to have a valid license.

nah i don't think that's right, i've not got a license of any type, it just means no updates, although i wouldn't put anything past larry. to me if its freely available to download, then its free to use.

On a bit of a side note, Oracle Enterprise Linux is entirely free to use (no support requirement for a license), and runs fine in VBox.

well oracle's rebranding of redhat enterprise linux requires a support license otherwise you get no updates, you'd be better off using centos.

It's an F13 guest that I'm trying to upgrade to F14. Host is Windows 7 x64. The hosts's drive is SATA, the VM is setup as the standard/default (for Fedora) PIIX4 IDE controller. No problems with F13 at all, but the F14 installer doesn't see the VHD.

I'm that one guy that actually reads all those license agreements. There was a wording change to the Solaris agreement (happened right after Oracle bought Sun) that I read as saying that basically the software is free to download, but not legal to *use* unless you have an active support agreement. So, even if you buy support to begin with and let it run out, you're illegal. Could I get away with running it, sure, it's not like anyone would find out or care. Is it the right thing to do, well, no, so I won't do it.

I have a bad history with centos, I won't touch it with a 10 foot pole! I'll take the non-updated Oracle version first!

[sej7278]

It's an F13 guest that I'm trying to upgrade to F14. Host is Windows 7 x64. The hosts's drive is SATA, the VM is setup as the standard/default (for Fedora) PIIX4 IDE controller. No problems with F13 at all, but the F14 installer doesn't see the VHD.

i'd say that's your problem, i use sata for everything and don't have a problem. you may be able to change it and it boot ok, as in linux these days even ide drives are sdX not hdX so fstab may be ok.

I'm that one guy that actually reads all those license agreements. There was a wording change to the Solaris agreement (happened right after Oracle bought Sun) that I read as saying that basically the software is free to download, but not legal to *use* unless you have an active support agreement. So, even if you buy support to begin with and let it run out, you're illegal. Could I get away with running it, sure, it's not like anyone would find out or care. Is it the right thing to do, well, no, so I won't do it.

well then with opensolaris killed and no way to use solaris for free, then i guess the solaris community is dead then, if nobody can learn solaris in their own time, then nobody will use it in the enterprise.

I have a bad history with centos, I won't touch it with a 10 foot pole! I'll take the non-updated Oracle version first!

i've never used centos in production but it does ok for development in a vm or as my home fileserver. the whole OEL concept annoys my morals (using redhat's product to compete with them).

[SSCBrian]

It's an F13 guest that I'm trying to upgrade to F14. Host is Windows 7 x64. The hosts's drive is SATA, the VM is setup as the standard/default (for Fedora) PIIX4 IDE controller. No problems with F13 at all, but the F14 installer doesn't see the VHD.

i'd say that's your problem, i use sata for everything and don't have a problem. you may be able to change it and it boot ok, as in linux these days even ide drives are sdX not hdX so fstab may be ok.

well then with opensolaris killed and no way to use solaris for free, then i guess the solaris community is dead then, if nobody can learn solaris in their own time, then nobody will use it in the enterprise.

i've never used centos in production but it does ok for development in a vm or as my home fileserver. the whole OEL concept annoys my morals (using redhat's product to compete with them).

Yep, that did the trick. I was able to drag the VHD file from the IDE over to the SATA adapter and then get the upgrade started. Does SATA work for older versions of Fedora too? Just wondering if I should file a suggestion to default to SATA instead of IDE for Fedora now since it looks like the default (IDE) is bad news on new versions.

Yeah, I'm afraid the Solaris may be heading down the path to destruction. OpenSolaris was a nice try, but I just never really liked it. Had some good stuff that I hoped would roll into Solaris, but I didn't like the overall feel. Solaris has definitely been my favorite OS. It was quite the sad day when I saw the new license agreement. I'm sure it'll live on for awhile longer in some high-end enterprise configurations, but all the small/middle sized guys will probably walk away from it whenever they do the next hardware refresh. Strong possibility that both of the places I'm doing work for at the moment may walk away from it then.

The OEL vs. Redhat thing doesn't bug me. There's a lot of distros out there like that. Grab someone else's distro, tweak it, offer it for free but charge for support. Doesn't seem unreasonable, that's how the Linux community operates. I don't have any special love of RedHat either. I'm not a fan of what the company has grown into. In the larger "GNU/Linux" sense, I think the kernel people are doing a great job, but the rest of the system is getting out of hand. It's losing the usability that I used to love. I'm hoping that some other new OS will eventually grow to fill the small/compact code niche that Linux has abandoned. I wish I could be part of that solution too, but no time... Oh well, WAAAYYY off topic now...

[sej7278]

glad it works now.

i've not used ide on guests for ages, i know fedora9/10/12/13/14 work fine with sata under vbox so seems odd that ide is still the default (even in svn) especially as it has worse performance.

where i work they're massively a sparc+solaris shop, but x86_64 OEL in ESX virtual machines is creeping into everything new these days (mainly as support for OEL is cheaper than RHEL).

the problem with linux these days is that most of the distro's are concentrating on the desktop on laptops, rather than servers, so wireless and 3d have improved but nfs4 and i/o still sucks.

anyway, this needs a different thread (or forum!)