"Modern" Operating Systems - The Debate

[AndyCot]

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M1/M2 will not run Windows 10 or any other modern OS.

Note that in the context of the previous discussion, "Intel based" was clearly intended to be part of that wording, i.e. M1/M2 is not suitable as a VirtualBox host for the purpose of running modern (64bit) versions of Windows 7+ or any other modern OS.
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M1/M2 can run Linux and can run Darwin. which are both modern OS's.

[mpack]

Meaning both are derived from '70s OS's and developed in the 90s? Your definition of "modern" is strange to me.

[AndyCot]

How wrong you are..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Linux
- Played with it about 93/94

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XNU
- Don't have a MAC, but have friends who dev on it.

[mpack]

Linux is a reimplementation of Unix, a '70s OS. Darwin (macOS) derives from Linux, ditto Android.

The Windows NT (New Technology) kernel on the other hand was started from a clean slate in the mid '90s - specifically designed to have no '70s baggage.

The claim that either Linux or MacOS is modern compared to Windows 11 is completely nonsensical. All of these have ARM versions available too.

[AndyCot]

The claim that NT was started from a clean slate in the mid '90s is nonsensical as it is based as MS and IBM shared code and it's based on OS/2. Should have a very good read of:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT

Also check out the Windows stack history and where it came from as it's based on BSD.

[mpack]

it is based as MS and IBM shared code and it's based on OS/2

Nonsense. You should read the Wikipedia article more closely. It was intended as a successor to OS/2, that does not mean it shared any code or ideas. If you know otherwise then please quote an exact reference, don't just wave me in the general direction of a Wikipedia article you've barely read.

If anything the biggest inspiration for NT was DEC's VMS, which was a supermini OS.

And even if I accepted your assertion at face value, it still doesn't justify the "more modern" canard.

[AndyCot]

https://gunkies.org/wiki/Windows_NT
https://americanhistory.si.edu/collecti ... mah_742559

[fth0]

FWIW, in Windows NT and VMS: The Rest of the Story, Mark Russinovich told the background story with the relationship to OS/2 and VMS. Part of it is that the Windows NT kernel started as a rewrite of VMS in C (the original was written in VAX assembler).

[StephenJ]

Unix, BSD, AT&T Sys V, NextOS, VMS, Apple OSX, Windows NT, SunOS, AIX, Linux (flavors galore Centos, Ubuntu, etc), etc - celebrate them all and enjoy the gifts of those who toiled to bring us all of this!

Thank you for all the maintainers of Virtualbox - I just got an Intel Mac mini since I was not aware of the porting affair of bringing VB to Apple Silicon... but I am enjoying my Mini all the same.

[fth0]

I just got an Intel Mac mini

I know that the Mac mini is one of the last Macs available with an Intel CPU (Mac Pro with Intel Xeon CPUs being the other).

I'm curious: Which CPU model does your Mac mini have?