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Postby DdB » 18. Jan 2019, 15:21

Hello,

Host is debian stretch, using many VM's, one of them needs to keep GA 5.2.22, because no matter, if i upgrade to 5.2.24 or 6.0.2, the VM ceased to be useful due to a weird graphic issue, i even have difficulties to describe properly:
At VM start (autostart) there are 2 applications with a GUI that need to come up and they do (in the correct sequence), but
whereas in 5.2.22 (Guest additions), the second app comes up in front of the first, as it should, and i can switch between them via GUI at will
with newer GA, the first application behaves like "always on top" and i can do nothing about it. It thereby blocks access to the second app, that was the main purpose for the VM in the first place, thereby rendering it unuseable.

As mentionned, i tried both, the 6.0.2 version and the 5.2.24 version, but same behavior.
BTW: The one VM in question is a standard stretch one, which provides an application for de- & encrypting email traffic via a bridge that understands GPG.
It has been working since a while now, and continues to do so, if i keep the old GA, except for the nagging message wanting me to upgrade GA.

I am at a loss for better understanding/resolution. Currently running 5.2.24 with the 5.2.22 guest additions for this specific VM
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Re: Can use Guest Additions no more due to ...

Postby socratis » 18. Jan 2019, 20:00

No host details, no guest details, no VBox.log, no screenshots... no case.
Minimum information needed for assistance.
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Re: Can use Guest Additions no more due to ...

Postby DdB » 18. Jan 2019, 22:22

Dont know, what you were missing.
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Re: Can use Guest Additions no more due to ...

Postby DdB » 18. Jan 2019, 23:44

@socratis:

No more need to follow up on this one:
I am running into more problems (like sound distortions on youtube or not playing at all) all appeared with the *.24 release. And because that is giving me too much pain (and i have no time, due to a move that needs to be prepared), i decided to roll back to *.22 for good until further notice. Currently preparing that and will reconfigure tonight.

BTW: I appreciate your support, even though i noticed, you object to my criticism against 6.0 GUI. We apparently having a different understanding of how a GUI should behave. :-)
I am going to skip *.24 alltogether and hopefully other people will have to notice and report the issues.
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Re: Can use Guest Additions no more due to ...

Postby DdB » 8. Feb 2019, 20:19

Hi,
finally i noticed the 5.2.26 release being available.
I installed (upgraded to) it, and put in the guest additions, only to immediately run into the same old issue again.
With the current GA, there is one application that reacts like "always on top" and makes the machine unuseable. But after reinstalling the GA from 5.2.22, all is fine again, although the host is running 5.2.26 still.

I am running debian stretch, x64 bit, enough RAM for several VM's (12 GB free) - The guest in question is running debian stretch as well, no extensions. Logfile is attached, i will provide more info, if needed.
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Re: Can use Guest Additions no more due to ...

Postby DdB » 12. Feb 2019, 04:55

...history repeats itself:
After running 5.2.26 for several days, i noticed more problems, that i could not blame the guest additions for. And since those problems really hurt (put in question the way, i use and operate vbox), i am forced to go back to 5.2.22 once again.

Too bad, i cannot discuss the issues with someone closer to the development to help me make a wiser decision. As things are right now, i am stuck with an old release, not a good spot to find myself in!
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Re: Can use Guest Additions no more due to ...

Postby socratis » 12. Feb 2019, 04:59

DdB wrote:Too bad, i cannot discuss the issues with someone closer to the development to help me make a wiser decision
You don't have a support contract, do you? And even in that case, you would talk with the help of a proxy; your customer service representative. Until then, we're all you got ;)

So, unless you start describing the problems, and we could potentially help you out, they're going to stay like that...
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Re: Can use Guest Additions no more due to ...

Postby DdB » 12. Feb 2019, 12:37

Ok. I am fighting my way through this, as good as i can.
The initial problem was centered around a change AFTER Guest Additions 5.2.22 (described above).
Then, after some time, i happened to notice more problems.
I am running into more problems (like sound distortions on youtube or not playing at all) all appeared with the *.24 release.


I have no support contract. No.

In the meantime, i was able to test on current 6.0.4 release and the "distortion-problem" vanishes there, potentially opening up a road forward.
BUT: the "Always-on-top-problem" reappears after installing *any* guest additions after 5.2.22. Currently, i am still checking out the 6.0 release, and since i have many machines, that is going to take some time, in order to have a chance of noticing eventual problems.

For now, i am using 6.0 with 5.2.22 additions on the one specific machine, where the behavior is too annoying otherwise.
Unfortunately, almost every VM is in some way "specialized" and deviates from standard in one way or another, and i am aware of this making it difficult to reproduce the behavior i see.

BTW: I just ran into a new problem:
Der globale Extradata-Schlüssel GUI/GroupDefinitions/seltener verwendet/MS - sterben Anfang März - nur in empty verwenden konnte nicht auf den Wert {m=56581527-f03c-4352-bb3e-65b47cf67b7d,m=0fe1b41d-be7d-4b2a-bc70-d8517072b036} gesetzt werden.

Callee RC:NS_ERROR_INVALID_ARG (0x80070057)


I decided to delete the whole VM affected instead of tracking that one any further.
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Re: Can use Guest Additions no more due to ...

Postby socratis » 12. Feb 2019, 12:57

The sound has nothing to do with the Guest Additions (GAs), so we'd better leave it out. One issue per thread, one thread per issue. This thread is dealing with the GAs, so if you have any GAs related problem, go ahead. For other problems, please open problem-specific threads.
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Re: Can use Guest Additions no more due to ...

Postby DdB » 12. Feb 2019, 13:16

Sorry, and thank you.
Yep. Sound is a non-issue on 6.0 anyway, and the other problem vanished with its entourage.
So back to GA:
It is a somewhat narrow problem, but nasty as hell, because it renders a formally working VM unuseable all of a sudden:
The VM doesnt do much, apart from being a bridge to encrypt and decrypt email communications and showing those. When it starts, it used to first start the bridge's GUI, and then the email client, which comes up in front of the bridge's GUI. All is well, unless i react to the nagging messages about outdated GA's.
As soon as a newer version of GA's get installed, and the VM reboots, the Bridge's GUI remains "always-on-top" hiding the email client and i can do nothing about it, except shutting down the VM.
Unfortunately, i know, the Bridge is in development, and it even got an update, which is not yet available for linux. In the meantime, all i can do to keep my communications alive, is to stay with the GA 5.2.22, when everything still works as expected, no matter the hosts vbox version. :-)
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Re: Can use Guest Additions no more due to ...

Postby DdB » 16. Feb 2019, 08:35

The problem is still very much there:
In order for that one VM to be useable, i need(ed) GA 5.2.22 or anyone before that. This has been working for about 6 months. But since 5.2.24, i needed to downgrade the GA's, and i still need to, even in 6.0.x.
BTW: The linux update for my software, while still beta, has authentication problems and is thereby not even installable on debian. :-(
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