VirtualBox crashing host 10.13.1b (17B25c) (#17150)

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Re: VirtualBox crashing host 10.13.1b (17B25c)

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Hi Socratis

According to the Apple update site the supplementary update is rolled in to the Beta...

So I just carried out the following...

Uninstalled VB, Rebooted the Mac, Installed VB (5.2 rc). No error messages. Nothing in System Preferences > Security & Privacy re Oracle. Attempted to start a VM. Error popped up regarding USB 3 support (extensions not installed?). Disabled USB and attempted to start the VM again. Crash - still the same :o(

Puzzling to say the least...
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Re: VirtualBox crashing host 10.13.1b (17B25c)

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Compumate wrote:According to the Apple update site the supplementary update is rolled in to the Beta...
Where did you read this? The 10.13.1 beta was rolled out long before the supplemental update. I've seen no indication that's the case.
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Re: VirtualBox crashing host 10.13.1b (17B25c)

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Hi Socratis

Looking more closely I'm wrong - I think. The statement I read said the supplementary update would be rolled in to future releases - I installed the Beta after the release date of the sup. update so concluded it was released after the sup. update. But I've just checked the release dates and it (the Beta) was released on the 30th Sept. - The Sup. update was released on 5th October, apparently.

Adding to my confusion is the Sup. update doesn't appear in my available updates list - in fact I have no updates pending? I guess it may not be compatible with the .1b Beta...
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Re: VirtualBox crashing host 10.13.1b (17B25c)

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What's the "supplemental update" for those poor souls that cannot afford the full developer program?

Oh, BTW, Compumate, when 5.2.0 comes out, it will bring back a feature that was suppressed back in April; the memory location of where things get loaded. What do I mean? Open any VBox.log from your current VirtualBox. At the early stages (around the 15-20 line mark) you'll see something like "Opened VMMR0.r0 .... at 0xXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. That series of "X"s was forced back in April due to some security concerns, not from VirtualBox but throughout the computer industry, a nasty backdoor. Well, that thing is coming back (at least for OSX).

Why is that important? Well, it tells the developers where VirtualBox gets loaded in memory. Couple that with a "VirtualBox.crash" log and it's much faster to locate and isolate the issues. Not that I expect a difference, but could you try the development builds, at the bottom of the page, from https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Testbuilds ?
Compumate wrote:So, my point - from your last message it looks like you can install a VM inside a VM with VirtualBox?
I didn't say I was running nested virtualization at any point. But generally speaking, yes, you can run a VM inside a VM (unsupported), but only 32 bit guests with 1 CPU only. Basically anything that doesn't require VT-x.
loukingjr wrote:clicked the Allow button for "Oracle" and all was hunky dory.
You were one of the lucky ones Lou. I've managed to confuse it in my VM as well, if I follow specific steps.
Compumate wrote:Uninstalled VB, Rebooted the Mac, Installed VB (5.2 rc). No error messages. Nothing in System Preferences > Security & Privacy re Oracle.
Because Oracle was already approved. In theory you need to approve Oracle just once, not every time you install/uninstall/install.
Compumate wrote:Disabled USB and attempted to start the VM again. Crash - still the same
Can you try with something simple, i.e. a DOS VM? Just create a DOS VM, stick with the defaults and try to launch it. Does that still crash?
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Re: VirtualBox crashing host 10.13.1b (17B25c)

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socratis wrote:
loukingjr wrote:clicked the Allow button for "Oracle" and all was hunky dory.
You were one of the lucky ones Lou. I've managed to confuse it in my VM as well, if I follow specific steps.
Luck had nothing to do with it. 8)
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Re: VirtualBox crashing host 10.13.1b (17B25c)

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The way that Apple operates these days (if !=iOS then quality > /dev/null), luck had everything to do with it. Count your blessings ;)
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Re: VirtualBox crashing host 10.13.1b (17B25c)

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socratis wrote:The way that Apple operates these days (if !=iOS then quality > /dev/null), luck had everything to do with it. Count your blessings ;)
Now now. One could say the same with VirtualBox, if my experience is any indication.

Btw, I forgot…
https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1937?vie ... cale=en_US
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Re: VirtualBox crashing host 10.13.1b (17B25c)

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Oh, so the "10.13 Supplemental" is not a developer update, it's a public one! Man, they've broken the fastest update record. Who knows how many complaints they've heard about this one. I wonder what the "• Improves installer robustness" refers to. No, actually I think I know... ;)
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Re: VirtualBox crashing host 10.13.1b (17B25c)

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I think you may very well know. :)

Just from all the posts on ASC it seems quite a few users have had issues installing the initial release. Just speculation of my part but I suspect Apple has a tendency to release software before it's ready or with known problems in order to meet some artificial release date.
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Re: VirtualBox crashing host 10.13.1b (17B25c)

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I'm seeing exactly the same kernel panic since upgrading one of my machines to 10.13.1 public beta 1.

I have found a workaround that works for me, at least:

1. Run "VBoxManage list vms” to list your VM’s along with their display names and kids
2. Run your VM in headless mode by running “VBoxManage startvm your-vm-name —type headless” where your-vm-name is the name listed in step 1.
3. Run virtualbox to bring up its UI
4. Select the running VM in VirtualBox and click “Show”. At this point the UI for your running VM should appear.

After that the virtual machine (Windows 10) ran as expected and I was able to shut it down in the normal way from its UI.
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Re: VirtualBox crashing host 10.13.1b (17B25c)

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Hi Socratis

I inferred from your post....

"I did a quick test, since I have the luxury of having 10.13 in a VM. Try to install VirtualBox...."

...that you meant you were testing the install process within a VM Guest. It's academic and not relevant to the topic but I'll have a play with that, just for the fun of it - if I ever get the thing working again...

Anyway, I did the DOS VM test - left everything as standard - Crash, bang wallop - exactly the same!

;o(
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Re: VirtualBox crashing host 10.13.1b (17B25c)

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Matt L - I tried the headless approach on my system but sadly it still crashed...
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Re: VirtualBox crashing host 10.13.1b (17B25c)

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@Compumate
I see what you mean. At this point however it wasn't a VM inside a VM, it was just installing an application inside a VM.

@Matt L.
Can you also try with the "VBoxManage startvm <VM> --type gui" and "VBoxManage startvm <VM> --type separate" and see what happens? Thanks in advance.
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Re: VirtualBox crashing host 10.13.1b (17B25c)

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socratis wrote: @Matt L.
Can you also try with the "VBoxManage startvm <VM> --type gui" and "VBoxManage startvm <VM> --type separate" and see what happens? Thanks in advance.
@socratis: Running with --type gui triggers the same kernel panic immediately. Running with --type separate does not. GUI performance of the VM feels very sluggish in separate mode, but I haven't really done any rigorous testing of this mode so I don't know if it's really any slower than starting in headless mode.
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Re: VirtualBox crashing host 10.13.1b (17B25c)

Post by Matt L. »

Just to save everyone else some time, the kernel panic is still there in 10.13.1 beta 2, which was just released.

The headless mode workaround continues to work for me with 10.13.1b2
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