Macmini5,1 host: Serial Number: 0

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Re: Macmini5,1 host: Serial Number: 0

Postby ilg » 3. Feb 2018, 17:46

erdeslawe wrote:I believe you need to register the Virtual installation, i.e. register it as a new Device against your AppleID (or set up another AppleID) before you can use the Store or any other Apple service provided via your Account.

Yes and no, the process is mostly automated, when you connect from a new device, on all previously registered devices you get a window asking if you allow the new device to use the account.

I already have 3 Macs and one iPad, all share the same iCloud settings, and everything works as expected.
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Re: Macmini5,1 host: Serial Number: 0

Postby ilg » 3. Feb 2018, 18:03

socratis wrote:What model?

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Model Name:            Mac mini
Model Identifier:      Macmini5,1
Processor Name:        Intel Core i5
Processor Speed:       2,3 GHz
Number of Processors:  1
Total Number of Cores: 2
L2 Cache (per Core):   256 KB
L3 Cache:              3 MB
Memory:                16 GB
Boot ROM Version:      MM51.007B.B00
SMC Version (system):  1.76f0


socratis wrote: kext... Did you complain to Apple about that?

Yes. They asked me to run some diagnosis tools, I sent them the logs, no further reactions. If you do not know the problem, try to install VirtualBox on a fresh 10.13.

socratis wrote:Are you trying to log in to the same account from two different "machines" at the same time? Is this allowed?

Definitely.

socratis wrote:... maybe you should ask them

Maybe. But given previous experience with them, and given that Parallels (which they more or less support) is able to access the identity resources, I doubt they'll consider to be their problem and blame VirtualBox :-(

If there is a solution, I better trust the community to find it, than Apple.
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Re: Macmini5,1 host: Serial Number: 0

Postby ChipMcK » 4. Feb 2018, 00:06

I do not notice mention of responses from Sys Prefs ---> iCloud
and log in from there
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Re: Macmini5,1 host: Serial Number: 0

Postby ilg » 4. Feb 2018, 00:23

ChipMcK wrote:I do not notice mention of responses from Sys Prefs ---> iCloud
and log in from there

See attached image.

Can you confirm that in your configuration you were able to login to iCloud from there?
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Re: Macmini5,1 host: Serial Number: 0

Postby ChipMcK » 4. Feb 2018, 00:55

Can you confirm that in your configuration you were able to login to iCloud from there?

yes

i did ensure that i did not duplicate the names of my devices ( a serious D.U.E. ).
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Re: Macmini5,1 host: Serial Number: 0

Postby ilg » 4. Feb 2018, 03:04

ChipMcK wrote:yes
Great!

ChipMcK wrote:i did ensure that i did not duplicate the names of my devices ( a serious D.U.E. ).
Could you share how you did this? Apart from setting the serial number, I did not set any name or anything else.
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Re: Macmini5,1 host: Serial Number: 0

Postby socratis » 4. Feb 2018, 10:16

And since you're at it ChipMcK, what's a "D.U.E" ? Where can I buy some? :)
Couldn't find anything (out of 37) that would make sense ;)
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Re: Macmini5,1 host: Serial Number: 0

Postby ChipMcK » 4. Feb 2018, 15:52

ilg wrote:Apart from setting the serial number, I did not set any name or anything else.

Apple Communities
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Re: Macmini5,1 host: Serial Number: 0

Postby socratis » 4. Feb 2018, 17:56

FWIW, I was not able to login to my iCloud account either from a 10.11.6 VM (same exactly as my host). I run "System Information" on both, and here are the differences:
Physical system Virtual system
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Model Name: MacBook Pro MacBook Pro
Model Identifier: MacBookPro11,5 MacBookPro11,5
Processor Name: Intel Core i7 <<< Missing!!!
Processor Speed: 2,5 GHz 2,49 GHz
Number of Processors: 1 1
Total Number of Cores: 4 2 <<< VM settings
L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB 256 KB
L3 Cache: 6 MB 12 MB <<< Huh???
Memory: 16 GB 3 GB <<< VM settings
Boot ROM Version: MBP114.0177.B00 VirtualBox <<< SMC?
SMC Version (system): 2.30f2 2.3f35 <<< SMC?
Serial Number (system): C02Sxxxxxxxx C2QHVxxxxxxx <<< VM settings
Hardware UUID: AA5E9044-C4F0-... F187CBAB-D722-49A8 <<< Random number

NOTE: The serial number that I had for the VM, was from a previous MBP model (MacBookPro8,3), but that didn't stop the SystemInformation from identifying my VM as MacBookPro11,5. Which means that the serial number is not that important in the model identification at least... And changing it to the new serial number, also had no effect in the iCloud logging process.
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Re: Macmini5,1 host: Serial Number: 0

Postby ilg » 4. Feb 2018, 20:07

socratis wrote:FWIW, I was not able to login to my iCloud account either from a 10.11.6 VM (same exactly as my host).

This makes at least two of us ;-)

socratis wrote:Processor Name: Intel Core i7 <<< Missing!!!

This is the first one I would try to set, although I doubt it is enough.

socratis wrote:Serial Number (system): C02Sxxxxxxxx C2QHVxxxxxxx <<< VM settings

Even if for your test it did not help, I would use the same serial number, perhaps iCloud needs a combination of parameters that must match together.
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Re: Macmini5,1 host: Serial Number: 0

Postby ilg » 4. Feb 2018, 20:12

ChipMcK wrote:Apple Communities

Well, thank you for the link, but I could not find any relevant information there.

If you have a more specific link, please let us know.

However, if you have a VM that allows you to connect to iCloud, it would be easier if you could tell us what setting you used for it.
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Re: Macmini5,1 host: Serial Number: 0

Postby socratis » 4. Feb 2018, 20:16

ilg wrote:I would use the same serial number

I did, didn't help...
socratis wrote:And changing it to the new serial number, also had no effect in the iCloud logging process.
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Re: Macmini5,1 host: Serial Number: 0

Postby ilg » 4. Feb 2018, 20:27

Yes, I saw this, alone it did not help, but my theory is that we need a set of variables to match, and I'm pretty convinced that the serial number is one of them.

The Parallels VM, compared with the host (this runs on a MBP, not the same Mini), looks like:

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  Model Name:   MacBook Pro
  Model Identifier:   MacBookPro8,2
  Processor Name:   Intel Core i7
  Processor Speed:   2 GHz
  Number of Processors:   1
  Total Number of Cores:   4
  L2 Cache (per Core):   256 KB
  L3 Cache:   6 MB
  Memory:   16 GB
  Boot ROM Version:   MBP81.004D.B00
  SMC Version (system):   1.69f3
  Serial Number (system):   C02F.......
  Hardware UUID:   B9D90459-..........

  Model Name:   Mac
  Model Identifier:   Parallels13,1
  Processor Speed:   2 GHz
  Number of Processors:   1
  Total Number of Cores:   2
  L2 Cache (per Core):   256 KB
  L3 Cache:   6 MB
  Memory:   8 GB
  Bus Speed:   400 MHz
  Boot ROM Version:   13.2.0 (43213)
  SMC Version (system):   1.16f8
  Serial Number (system):   C02F........
  Hardware UUID:   917DBD02-.....


As you can see, the only common setting is the serial number.
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Re: Macmini5,1 host: Serial Number: 0

Postby ChipMcK » 5. Feb 2018, 14:07

What is the response of Apple iCloud to your processing 'burp' ?
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Re: Macmini5,1 host: Serial Number: 0

Postby ilg » 5. Feb 2018, 14:21

ChipMcK wrote:What is the response of Apple iCloud to your processing 'burp' ?


I assume you are asking me.

I don't know what you mean by 'burp' in this context, as I also do not know what 'a serious D.U.E.' is.

With the settings shown in the previous message, the 10.10 Parallels VM connects to iCloud without problems.

With only the serial number set, the 10.10 VirtualBox fails with the error shown in:

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=86575&p=413195#p413115

If you do not have a functional iCloud configuration, or do not want to share it, better say it explicitly.
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