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Re: Discuss: Tutorial: Windows 95/98 guest OSes

Postby jorgensen » 18. Apr 2020, 09:00

schneida wrote:thank you very much for all the helpful information I could find in this board. I got my Windows 98 gaming setup mostly working, but sound is a big issue for me. I don't know why, but I can't get it to work. Now before you suggest installing the correct drivers and so on, I did that (hopefully):
Can anybody suggest what I should do next....?

No specific problem is listed from you, but here is what I have learned.
The SoundBlaster driver should play major audio files without problems.
There is a problem with the AC97 driver and some programs like Windows Media Player.
If you want to use Windows Media Player and have MIDI, use the SoundBlaster setting and install Yamaha XG70 MIDI simulator (can be hard to find) - otherwise use the AC97 setting and another media player like Winamp (5.35).
Alternative you can switch the VirtualBox audio setting for which audio setup you want.
Experimental you can try to disable the AC97 Mixer in Control Panel->Multimedia->Devices->Mixer Devices->Mixer for Realtek AC97 Audio
Toggling the Audio Output in the status bar or menu while the guest is running could be a solution.
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Re: Discuss: Tutorial: Windows 95/98 guest OSes

Postby AnrDaemon » 23. Apr 2020, 11:57

The problem with SB16 playback is that it's jagged and delayed to unusability, when playback is continuously streamed. F.e. when you playing games.
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Re: Discuss: Tutorial: Windows 95/98 guest OSes

Postby ChozoSR388 » 31. May 2020, 11:37

(Hopefully) Quick question; I'm trying to run a Win 95 VM in VirtualBox, but I'm getting the Windows Protection Error when I try to boot. I was told I need to disable "Enable VT-X/AMD-V" under Machine Settings > System > Acceleration. However, that option is not available under the Acceleration tab. The host machine I'm trying to run the VM on is centered around an AMD FX-8350. This is the first time I've tried to run a Windows 95 VM on this machine. The last time I tried to do it, I was running an AMD FX-6300, and it ran fine, no issues to speak of. Is anyone privvy to a potential solution to this issue?
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Re: Discuss: Tutorial: Windows 95/98 guest OSes

Postby mpack » 31. May 2020, 13:02

ChozoSR388 wrote:I was told I need to disable "Enable VT-X/AMD-V" under Machine Settings > System > Acceleration.

Not by anyone who knows what they're talking about. The tutorial tells you what you actually need to do: viewtopic.php?f=28&t=9918#p422192.
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Re: Discuss: Tutorial: Windows 95/98 guest OSes

Postby ChozoSR388 » 31. May 2020, 15:45

mpack wrote:
ChozoSR388 wrote:I was told I need to disable "Enable VT-X/AMD-V" under Machine Settings > System > Acceleration.

Not by anyone who knows what they're talking about. The tutorial tells you what you actually need to do: <your link here, as I'm new>.

Thank you. The video tutorial that I got my information from was from 2017, but it clearly worked; the setting was disabled, and the VM booted up as you'd expect Win95 to boot, no WPE.
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Re: Discuss: Tutorial: Windows 95/98 guest OSes

Postby mpack » 31. May 2020, 16:31

ChozoSR388 wrote:The video tutorial that I got my information from was from 2017, but it clearly worked

That it seemed to work was purely accidental, as it did not explain or address the actual problem. The VT-x disable hack just made the VM run a little less efficiently, which hid the problem for some users.
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Re: Discuss: Tutorial: Windows 95/98 guest OSes

Postby Romero1972 » 25. Jul 2020, 05:07

The vbe9x video driver doesn't display Unicode characters. In Windows 98, it is enough to reduce the hardware acceleration to the second notch, but in Windows ME it doesn't work in any position.
That should probably be added to FAQ to save much frustration.
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Re: Discuss: Tutorial: Windows 95/98 guest OSes

Postby mpack » 25. Jul 2020, 13:38

Romero1972 wrote:The vbe9x video driver doesn't display Unicode characters.

Well, (a) why would it, since AFAIR Win98 had no native support for Unicode, which was an NT thing. (b) The graphics driver doesn't display fonts, period. The OS does that. All the graphics driver does is paint pixels.
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Re: Discuss: Tutorial: Windows 95/98 guest OSes

Postby Romero1972 » 25. Jul 2020, 14:09

mpack wrote:The graphics driver doesn't display fonts, period.
Windows 3.x did not support Unicode, Windows 9x did.

It seems that video driver does something more than just display pixels. You can test that trivially with something like MS Word.
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Re: Discuss: Tutorial: Windows 95/98 guest OSes

Postby mpack » 25. Jul 2020, 19:35

Romero1972 wrote:
mpack wrote:The graphics driver doesn't display fonts, period.
Windows 3.x did not support Unicode, Windows 9x did.

I don't believe so. AFAIR, Unicode wasn't ever implemented in DOS based Windows except as an upgrade that came out around the same time that XP appeared, i.e. long after it was relevant.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft ... or_Unicode. Note what it says in the "How it works" section.

Romero1972 wrote:You can test that trivially with something like MS Word.

Can you be more precise? What exactly am I supposed to do with MS Word that demonstrates that character codes are being translated to glyphs specifically by the graphics driver rather than by the font renderer in Windows?
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Re: Discuss: Tutorial: Windows 95/98 guest OSes

Postby Romero1972 » 26. Jul 2020, 14:44

mpack wrote:What exactly am I supposed to do with MS Word that demonstrates that character codes are being translated to glyphs specifically by the graphics driver rather than by the font renderer in Windows?

Just setup Windows 98, Word 97, and the free driver, then type some Unicode text in.

https://imgur.com/a/Ui3Y7eg
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Re: Discuss: Tutorial: Windows 95/98 guest OSes

Postby WINDed » 20. Aug 2020, 10:55

I trying run windows 95 but it says windows protection error
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