Windows NT 4.0 virtual machine crashes at the beginning of the install
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Windows NT 4.0 virtual machine crashes at the beginning of the install
The Windows NT 4.0 installation crashes with random characters on the screen and a VirtualBox guru error as soon as I start the virtual machine.
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Re: Windows NT 4.0 virtual machine crashes at the beginning of the install
I wasn't sure whether or not to create a bug ticket for this. I might create one.
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Re: Windows NT 4.0 virtual machine crashes at the beginning of the install
The VM triple faults less than 4 seconds after booting from the ISO. A triple fault is Virtualbox's "Beats me what I was told to do".00:00:06.719954 VMMDev: Guest Log: BIOS: Booting from CD-ROM...
00:00:06.736914 VMMDev: Guest Log: int13_harddisk: function 15, unmapped device for ELDL=81
00:00:06.738569 Display::i_handleDisplayResize: uScreenId=0 pvVRAM=0000000000000000 w=720 h=400 bpp=0 cbLine=0x0 flags=0x0 origin=0,0
00:00:07.074027 GUI: UIMediumEnumerator: Medium-enumeration finished!
00:00:10.109511 Changing the VM state from 'RUNNING' to 'GURU_MEDITATION'
00:00:10.109543 Console: Machine state changed to 'Stuck'
00:00:10.109727 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
00:00:10.109727 !!
00:00:10.109727 !! VCPU0: Guru Meditation 1155 (VINF_EM_TRIPLE_FAULT)
Check that your ISO is good. It may be corrupted.
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Re: Windows NT 4.0 virtual machine crashes at the beginning of the install
I checksum all my ISOs and I'm verifying them now after reading this. I used the original ISO of Windows NT Workstation 4.0 (with SP1 I believe). I also tried this with an original ISO of Windows NT Server 4.0 (with SP1 as well) and I got the same result.
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Re: Windows NT 4.0 virtual machine crashes at the beginning of the install
The ISO images don't appear to be corrupted and the checksum hasn't changed. I'll check it some more.
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Re: Windows NT 4.0 virtual machine crashes at the beginning of the install
A screenshot of the Virtual Machine before VirtualBox crashes.
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Re: Windows NT 4.0 virtual machine crashes at the beginning of the install
I downgraded VirtualBox to version 6.0.24 and the problem does not occur. Windows NT 4.0 installs perfectly with the same ISO. This crash only happens on newer versions of VirtualBox.
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Re: Windows NT 4.0 virtual machine crashes at the beginning of the install
I verified my ISO against the original CD and it passed as OK. I'll check to see whether or not Windows NT 4.0 installs on VirtualBox version 6.1.42
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Re: Windows NT 4.0 virtual machine crashes at the beginning of the install
I tested Windows NT 4.0 on VirtualBox 6.1.44 and VirtualBox 7.0.8. In VirtualBox 6.1, I get an error during the start of GUI part of the installation that prevents the installation from continuing. In VirtualBox 7.0, I still get the same triple fault.
In VirtualBox 6.0.24, Windows NT 4.0 works perfectly. I assume that this is a bug and a regression in VirtualBox 6.1 and VirtualBox 7.0.
In VirtualBox 6.0.24, Windows NT 4.0 works perfectly. I assume that this is a bug and a regression in VirtualBox 6.1 and VirtualBox 7.0.
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Re: Windows NT 4.0 virtual machine crashes at the beginning of the install
The VBoxHardening.log file shows that you have so-called security software (from McAfee and Malwarebytes) installed on your host. For a test, uninstall both, reboot the host and try if your issue persists.
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Re: Windows NT 4.0 virtual machine crashes at the beginning of the install
I removed malwarebytes and the mcafee service. I'm still getting the same results.
I attached the log file of the virtual machine.
I attached the log file of the virtual machine.
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Re: Windows NT 4.0 virtual machine crashes at the beginning of the install
VBProblems wrote:I removed malwarebytes and the mcafee service.
VirtualBox seems to disagree with you.VBoxHardening.log wrote:410.199c: Found driver mfehidk (0x20) 410.199c: supR3HardenedWinFindAdversaries: 0x20 410.199c: \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\mfehidk.sys: 410.199c: ProductName: SYSCORE 410.199c: ProductVersion: 15.6.0.1870 410.199c: FileDescription: McAfee Link Driver
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Re: Windows NT 4.0 virtual machine crashes at the beginning of the install
I ran the mcafee uninstaller tool to remove even more and that item no longer shows up. I'm still getting the same result. I'm rather skeptical that this problem is related to mcafee as all my other virtual machines work fine. It's just Windows NT 4.0 that has this problem with newer versions of VirtualBox.
I attached a new reset of the log for the blank virtual machine.
I attached a new reset of the log for the blank virtual machine.
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Re: Windows NT 4.0 virtual machine crashes at the beginning of the install
In general, it's often the case that so-called security software intercepts some Windows function calls and/or modifies their behavior, leading to unexpected consequences that are hard to find. Therefore, the first step is to temporarily get rid of this primary suspect. You've succeeded in doing that and you've proven that it didn't play a role.VBProblems wrote:I'm rather skeptical that this problem is related to mcafee [...]
Well, if you had mentioned that before (have I overlooked it?), we could have skipped the first step.VBProblems wrote:[...] as all my other virtual machines work fine.
According to the VBox.log file, ~9 MB have been read from the ISO image, which could be the size of the Windows NT setup program. The vCPU had many page faults (~40.000), and the VM-exit history indicates a loop of nested page faults. You could try the following:
In the VM configuration, disable System > Acceleration > Nested Paging. This will make the VM considerably slower, but Windows NT should be very fast by today's standards anyway.
There are known issues running Windows 9x on newer Intel (11th gen+) and AMD (Zen 2+) CPUs, on the host and in a guest. Just in case that also holds true for Windows NT: Can you boot your host from the Windows NT installer and check that you don't run into a similar problem?
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Re: Windows NT 4.0 virtual machine crashes at the beginning of the install
This may be similar to the problems that Win9x also has with the Ryzen 7 processor. Unfortunately I don't know if a patch exists for NT4.